In this wide-ranging conversation, Eli, Len, and the Palinode team explore:
Lessons from MOOCs 1.0 & 2.0 — what worked, what failed
Why learning must be social to be meaningful
How Socratic elenchus and Confucian academies can inspire new ed-tech design
The role of Khora in building authentic, person-centered learning spaces
What our Jam sessions look like (philosophers + engineers experimenting together)
This recording captures the energy and spontaneity of a true Palinode Jam: broad, playful, sometimes messy, but always generative. It’s the raw conversation behind the polished interview in our Substack post Deep Learning Design.






